Friday, 19 February 2010
Creationists are Dogmatists.
Scientific theories and theological concepts can be evaluated and re-evaluated and as a consequence, evidence or reason allows them to change. A lot of creationist ideas are unchangeable dogmas and the more evidence there is against those ideas the more dogmatic the adherents become. They need to learn that Jesus was never a dogmatist and left dogmatism for the Pharisees.
Thursday, 18 February 2010
An EMail to creationminute.com
When we are talking about evolution we are talking about speciation through genetic mutation. That is organic evolution. Why do you claim we mean different things when we say it? Why do you claim that it is life from non-life when it clearly is not? Why is it that you are not aware that micro-evolution and macro-evolution are the same thing. Genes mutate and you admit this due to mutation species change but each generation is the same ‘kind’ of creature as the one before. Speciation happens over time.
Why do you say that evolutionists say claim the Earth is old when in fact Geologists do? Why do you muddle all the sciences up so easily? Geologists base their conclusion on the evidence and not their evidence on their conclusion like you do.
Your supposed evidence for a young Earth is not evidence.
The age of the Methuselah tree only shows that no mayor cataclysmic event has happened during the last 4900 years. Also the King clone Creosote bush is 11,700 years old.
We have also had Arctic Lupine seeds germinate after 10,000 years of dormancy.
If a coral reef is only 4200 years old then in reality that coral would have to grow at a rate of 12.9 inches a year. Coral does not grow that fast.
Do you believe in continental drift? The Indian sub-continent is colliding into the Asia causing the Himalayas to rise. Everest is higher now than when it was first conquered. The marine fossils are from before the mountains were formed.
You believe that continents would have eroded in 25 million years? Don’t you know anything about geology? Do you understand about continents growing because of the oceans depositing sediment on their coasts? Or that continents would grow due to mantle from below being deposited by volcanoes? Do you understand that mountains rise up due to tectonic movement?
You claim that comets would no longer exist if the earth was billions of years old. This isn’t true either. The first comets to enter the solar system have evaporated. The Oort cloud and the Kuipper belt hold many comets deep in space beyond the orbit of Neptune.. Occasionally gravitational perburtations from other comets bump one of them into a highly elliptical orbit. As they get nearer the sun then evaporate.
I would also like to know why we can see stars more than 6000 light years away.
If the universe isn't billions of years old then God created a deception and is therefore a liar
If you think we haven’t observed stars being born, then you don't know what’s happening in a nebula.
You use the fact that the Sahara Desert is growing as evidence for a young Earth. It is growing due to heavy agriculture on it’s margins and climate change.
You also use oil pressure as evidence when geological shift means that the oil may have migrated there from elsewhere.
You also use the Earth polarity weakening as ‘evidence’ when the magnetic field has varied in intensity and reversed polarity numerous times in the planets history. There was little change between 1590 and 1840.
You also use the Earths rotation slowing down as ‘evidence’ It is slowing down at a rate of 0.005 a year. This extrapolates that it would have had a 14 hour day 14.6 billion years ago, which is possible.
The most baffling thing you have used is the Earth population at present. This would work if population growth was constant when it is not. Wars and plagues would have caused populations to decrease. But it’s more ridiculous than that. At the current growth rate the population would have reached its present size from 8 people in 16,660 years. Also presuming a growth rate of 0.5 per year, if we presume the pyramids were built 100 years after the flood then they would have been built by 13 people. Also when Moses was leading 600,000 people out of Egypt your model would give a global population of 726 people. But it gets worse. When Xexes gathered an army of 2,641,000 people the global population would have been only 86,425.
Concerning the biblical genealogies.
Genesis 5:9-26
9 When Enosh had lived 90 years, he became the father of Kenan. 10 And after he became the father of Kenan, Enosh lived 815 years and had other sons and daughters. 11 Altogether, Enosh lived 905 years, and then he died.
12 When Kenan had lived 70 years, he became the father of Mahalalel. 13 And after he became the father of Mahalalel, Kenan lived 840 years and had other sons and daughters. 14 Altogether, Kenan lived 910 years, and then he died.
15 When Mahalalel had lived 65 years, he became the father of Jared. 16 And after he became the father of Jared, Mahalalel lived 830 years and had other sons and daughters. 17 Altogether, Mahalalel lived 895 years, and then he died.
18 When Jared had lived 162 years, he became the father of Enoch. 19 And after he became the father of Enoch, Jared lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters. 20 Altogether, Jared lived 962 years, and then he died.
21 When Enoch had lived 65 years, he became the father of Methuselah. 22 And after he became the father of Methuselah, Enoch walked with God 300 years and had other sons and daughters. 23 Altogether, Enoch lived 365 years. 24 Enoch walked with God; then he was no more, because God took him away.
25 When Methuselah had lived 187 years, he became the father of Lamech. 26 And after he became the father of Lamech, Methuselah lived 782 years and had other sons and daughters.
First of all this must be read in the light of what Jesus said.
Matthew 5:17
[ The Fulfilment of the Law ] "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfil them.
As The law is The Torah and this passage is part of The Torah, Jesus must have came to fulfil this passage.
Enos means A son
Cainan means Striking fast
Mahalaleel means The Praise of God... See more
Jared means Descending
Enoch means Favoured
Methuselah. Means one sent forth
Lamech means of the almighty
So the genealogical order says “A son striking down. The Praise of God descending
Favoured one sent forth of the almighty.”
So in fact the genealogies that Usher used point to Christ and not to a young Earth..
I have heard it said that The Devil invented the theory of the big bang.
The big Bang Theory (which also has nothing to do with evolution) came out of the 'hypothesis of the primeval atom'. Proposed by a Roman Catholic priest.
John 10:10
10The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.
Satan kills, steals and destroys. He doesn’t create things. Especially scientific theories.
I’ve also heard everything was vegetarian before the fall.
The basis for this belief is this from the King James Bible
Genesis 1:29
And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the
face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to
you it shall be for meat.
The NIV says
Genesis 1:29
29 Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.
In old English the word ‘meat’ just meant ‘food’
Also there is no indication from that verse that everything else was vegetarian.
If meat eating is a result of the fall then canine teeth must also be a result of the fall. Creatures changing dietary habits and developing characteristics to match is usually called biological evolution.
I have also heard that nothing died before the fall
Such a belief is obtained by these verses.
evolution.
Romans 5:12
[ Death Through Adam, Life Through Christ ] Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned—
Romans 5:17
For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God's abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ.
Symbolically first Adam is everyone and Second Adam is Christ.
If somebody wants to take these verses as literal, they still do not indicate that nothing died before a certain time. Besides, the myth says that Adam lived for another 800 or so years after the fall, so he didn’t die right away. The death was spiritual.
The first law of thermodynamics does not disprove evolution. Evolution is not about matter or energy being created or destroyed its about genetic mutation. We know that God created the universe. This does not disprove evolution.
Why do you say that evolutionists say claim the Earth is old when in fact Geologists do? Why do you muddle all the sciences up so easily? Geologists base their conclusion on the evidence and not their evidence on their conclusion like you do.
Your supposed evidence for a young Earth is not evidence.
The age of the Methuselah tree only shows that no mayor cataclysmic event has happened during the last 4900 years. Also the King clone Creosote bush is 11,700 years old.
We have also had Arctic Lupine seeds germinate after 10,000 years of dormancy.
If a coral reef is only 4200 years old then in reality that coral would have to grow at a rate of 12.9 inches a year. Coral does not grow that fast.
Do you believe in continental drift? The Indian sub-continent is colliding into the Asia causing the Himalayas to rise. Everest is higher now than when it was first conquered. The marine fossils are from before the mountains were formed.
You believe that continents would have eroded in 25 million years? Don’t you know anything about geology? Do you understand about continents growing because of the oceans depositing sediment on their coasts? Or that continents would grow due to mantle from below being deposited by volcanoes? Do you understand that mountains rise up due to tectonic movement?
You claim that comets would no longer exist if the earth was billions of years old. This isn’t true either. The first comets to enter the solar system have evaporated. The Oort cloud and the Kuipper belt hold many comets deep in space beyond the orbit of Neptune.. Occasionally gravitational perburtations from other comets bump one of them into a highly elliptical orbit. As they get nearer the sun then evaporate.
I would also like to know why we can see stars more than 6000 light years away.
If the universe isn't billions of years old then God created a deception and is therefore a liar
If you think we haven’t observed stars being born, then you don't know what’s happening in a nebula.
You use the fact that the Sahara Desert is growing as evidence for a young Earth. It is growing due to heavy agriculture on it’s margins and climate change.
You also use oil pressure as evidence when geological shift means that the oil may have migrated there from elsewhere.
You also use the Earth polarity weakening as ‘evidence’ when the magnetic field has varied in intensity and reversed polarity numerous times in the planets history. There was little change between 1590 and 1840.
You also use the Earths rotation slowing down as ‘evidence’ It is slowing down at a rate of 0.005 a year. This extrapolates that it would have had a 14 hour day 14.6 billion years ago, which is possible.
The most baffling thing you have used is the Earth population at present. This would work if population growth was constant when it is not. Wars and plagues would have caused populations to decrease. But it’s more ridiculous than that. At the current growth rate the population would have reached its present size from 8 people in 16,660 years. Also presuming a growth rate of 0.5 per year, if we presume the pyramids were built 100 years after the flood then they would have been built by 13 people. Also when Moses was leading 600,000 people out of Egypt your model would give a global population of 726 people. But it gets worse. When Xexes gathered an army of 2,641,000 people the global population would have been only 86,425.
Concerning the biblical genealogies.
Genesis 5:9-26
9 When Enosh had lived 90 years, he became the father of Kenan. 10 And after he became the father of Kenan, Enosh lived 815 years and had other sons and daughters. 11 Altogether, Enosh lived 905 years, and then he died.
12 When Kenan had lived 70 years, he became the father of Mahalalel. 13 And after he became the father of Mahalalel, Kenan lived 840 years and had other sons and daughters. 14 Altogether, Kenan lived 910 years, and then he died.
15 When Mahalalel had lived 65 years, he became the father of Jared. 16 And after he became the father of Jared, Mahalalel lived 830 years and had other sons and daughters. 17 Altogether, Mahalalel lived 895 years, and then he died.
18 When Jared had lived 162 years, he became the father of Enoch. 19 And after he became the father of Enoch, Jared lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters. 20 Altogether, Jared lived 962 years, and then he died.
21 When Enoch had lived 65 years, he became the father of Methuselah. 22 And after he became the father of Methuselah, Enoch walked with God 300 years and had other sons and daughters. 23 Altogether, Enoch lived 365 years. 24 Enoch walked with God; then he was no more, because God took him away.
25 When Methuselah had lived 187 years, he became the father of Lamech. 26 And after he became the father of Lamech, Methuselah lived 782 years and had other sons and daughters.
First of all this must be read in the light of what Jesus said.
Matthew 5:17
[ The Fulfilment of the Law ] "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfil them.
As The law is The Torah and this passage is part of The Torah, Jesus must have came to fulfil this passage.
Enos means A son
Cainan means Striking fast
Mahalaleel means The Praise of God... See more
Jared means Descending
Enoch means Favoured
Methuselah. Means one sent forth
Lamech means of the almighty
So the genealogical order says “A son striking down. The Praise of God descending
Favoured one sent forth of the almighty.”
So in fact the genealogies that Usher used point to Christ and not to a young Earth..
I have heard it said that The Devil invented the theory of the big bang.
The big Bang Theory (which also has nothing to do with evolution) came out of the 'hypothesis of the primeval atom'. Proposed by a Roman Catholic priest.
John 10:10
10The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.
Satan kills, steals and destroys. He doesn’t create things. Especially scientific theories.
I’ve also heard everything was vegetarian before the fall.
The basis for this belief is this from the King James Bible
Genesis 1:29
And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the
face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to
you it shall be for meat.
The NIV says
Genesis 1:29
29 Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.
In old English the word ‘meat’ just meant ‘food’
Also there is no indication from that verse that everything else was vegetarian.
If meat eating is a result of the fall then canine teeth must also be a result of the fall. Creatures changing dietary habits and developing characteristics to match is usually called biological evolution.
I have also heard that nothing died before the fall
Such a belief is obtained by these verses.
evolution.
Romans 5:12
[ Death Through Adam, Life Through Christ ] Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned—
Romans 5:17
For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God's abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ.
Symbolically first Adam is everyone and Second Adam is Christ.
If somebody wants to take these verses as literal, they still do not indicate that nothing died before a certain time. Besides, the myth says that Adam lived for another 800 or so years after the fall, so he didn’t die right away. The death was spiritual.
The first law of thermodynamics does not disprove evolution. Evolution is not about matter or energy being created or destroyed its about genetic mutation. We know that God created the universe. This does not disprove evolution.
Saturday, 13 February 2010
Creationist Beliefs versus The Bible
1, The Earth is only 6000 years old.
Genesis 5:9-26
9 When Enosh had lived 90 years, he became the father of Kenan. 10 And after he became the father of Kenan, Enosh lived 815 years and had other sons and daughters. 11 Altogether, Enosh lived 905 years, and then he died.
12 When Kenan had lived 70 years, he became the father of Mahalalel. 13 And after he became the father of Mahalalel, Kenan lived 840 years and had other sons and daughters. 14 Altogether, Kenan lived 910 years, and then he died.
15 When Mahalalel had lived 65 years, he became the father of Jared. 16 And after he became the father of Jared, Mahalalel lived 830 years and had other sons and daughters. 17 Altogether, Mahalalel lived 895 years, and then he died.
18 When Jared had lived 162 years, he became the father of Enoch. 19 And after he became the father of Enoch, Jared lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters. 20 Altogether, Jared lived 962 years, and then he died.
21 When Enoch had lived 65 years, he became the father of Methuselah. 22 And after he became the father of Methuselah, Enoch walked with God 300 years and had other sons and daughters. 23 Altogether, Enoch lived 365 years. 24 Enoch walked with God; then he was no more, because God took him away.
25 When Methuselah had lived 187 years, he became the father of Lamech. 26 And after he became the father of Lamech, Methuselah lived 782 years and had other sons and daughters.
First of all lets think about what Jesus said.
Matthew 5:17
[ The Fulfilment of the Law ] "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfil them.
As The law is The Torah and this passage is part of The Torah, Jesus must have came to fulfil this passage.
Enos means A son
Cainan means Striking fast
Mahalaleel means The Praise of God... See more
Jared means Descending
Enoch means Favoured
Methuselah. Means one sent forth
Lamech means of the almighty
So the genealogical order says “A son striking down. The Praise of God descending
Favoured one sent forth of the almighty.”
So in fact the genealogies that Usher used point to Christ and not to a young Earth..
2, The Devil invented the theory of the big bang.
The Big Bang Theory came out of the 'hypothesis of the primeval atom'. Proposed by a Roman Catholic priest.
John 10:10
10The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.
Satan kills, steals and destroys. He doesn’t create things. Especially scientific theories.
3, Everything was vegetarian before the fall.
The basis for this belief is this from the King James Bible
Genesis 1:29
And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the
face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to
you it shall be for meat.
The NIV says
Genesis 1:29
29 Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.
In old English the word ‘meat’ just meant ‘food’
Also there is no indication from that verse that everything else was vegetarian.
If meat eating is a result of the fall then canine teeth must also be a result of the fall. Creatures changing dietary habits and developing characteristics to match is usually called biological evolution.
4,Nothing died before the fall
Such a belief is obtained by these verses.
evolution.
Romans 5:12
[ Death Through Adam, Life Through Christ ] Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned—
Romans 5:17
For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God's abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ.
Symbolically first Adam is everyone and Second Adam is Christ.
If somebody wants to take these verses as literal, they still do not indicate that nothing died before a certain time. Besides, the myth says that Adam lived for another 800 or so years after the fall, so he didn’t die right away. The death was spiritual.
Genesis 5:9-26
9 When Enosh had lived 90 years, he became the father of Kenan. 10 And after he became the father of Kenan, Enosh lived 815 years and had other sons and daughters. 11 Altogether, Enosh lived 905 years, and then he died.
12 When Kenan had lived 70 years, he became the father of Mahalalel. 13 And after he became the father of Mahalalel, Kenan lived 840 years and had other sons and daughters. 14 Altogether, Kenan lived 910 years, and then he died.
15 When Mahalalel had lived 65 years, he became the father of Jared. 16 And after he became the father of Jared, Mahalalel lived 830 years and had other sons and daughters. 17 Altogether, Mahalalel lived 895 years, and then he died.
18 When Jared had lived 162 years, he became the father of Enoch. 19 And after he became the father of Enoch, Jared lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters. 20 Altogether, Jared lived 962 years, and then he died.
21 When Enoch had lived 65 years, he became the father of Methuselah. 22 And after he became the father of Methuselah, Enoch walked with God 300 years and had other sons and daughters. 23 Altogether, Enoch lived 365 years. 24 Enoch walked with God; then he was no more, because God took him away.
25 When Methuselah had lived 187 years, he became the father of Lamech. 26 And after he became the father of Lamech, Methuselah lived 782 years and had other sons and daughters.
First of all lets think about what Jesus said.
Matthew 5:17
[ The Fulfilment of the Law ] "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfil them.
As The law is The Torah and this passage is part of The Torah, Jesus must have came to fulfil this passage.
Enos means A son
Cainan means Striking fast
Mahalaleel means The Praise of God... See more
Jared means Descending
Enoch means Favoured
Methuselah. Means one sent forth
Lamech means of the almighty
So the genealogical order says “A son striking down. The Praise of God descending
Favoured one sent forth of the almighty.”
So in fact the genealogies that Usher used point to Christ and not to a young Earth..
2, The Devil invented the theory of the big bang.
The Big Bang Theory came out of the 'hypothesis of the primeval atom'. Proposed by a Roman Catholic priest.
John 10:10
10The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.
Satan kills, steals and destroys. He doesn’t create things. Especially scientific theories.
3, Everything was vegetarian before the fall.
The basis for this belief is this from the King James Bible
Genesis 1:29
And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the
face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to
you it shall be for meat.
The NIV says
Genesis 1:29
29 Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.
In old English the word ‘meat’ just meant ‘food’
Also there is no indication from that verse that everything else was vegetarian.
If meat eating is a result of the fall then canine teeth must also be a result of the fall. Creatures changing dietary habits and developing characteristics to match is usually called biological evolution.
4,Nothing died before the fall
Such a belief is obtained by these verses.
evolution.
Romans 5:12
[ Death Through Adam, Life Through Christ ] Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned—
Romans 5:17
For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God's abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ.
Symbolically first Adam is everyone and Second Adam is Christ.
If somebody wants to take these verses as literal, they still do not indicate that nothing died before a certain time. Besides, the myth says that Adam lived for another 800 or so years after the fall, so he didn’t die right away. The death was spiritual.
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