Thursday, 30 April 2009
Wednesday, 22 April 2009
Answering Athiests
1. Christianity must destroy reason before introduce faith
2. destroy happiness before introduce salvation
3. is profoundly anti-pleasure especially in the area of sex
4. Sexual pleasure is the most intense form of pleasure
5. To deny oneself pleasure, or to convince oneself that pleasure is evil…
:- George H. Smith
1, Many Athiests avoid reason when debating the subject and use ptolmic dogmatism instead.
2, Many Athiests come across as so angry and express such bitterness towards Christians it appears that to be an Athierst one has to be miserable.
3, Christians know the God who invented sex while many Atheists persue pleasure in speaking against Christianity
4, Sexual pleasure is the closest physical act to something spiritual but knowing Jesus is the real thing.
5, Many Athiests spend vast quantities of energy trying to convince everyone that Christianity is evil. They use ridicule, dogmatism and sarcasm in their ptolmioc rants against us. They come across so miserable that you would think they thought pleasure was evil.
'Religious people split into three main groups when faced with science. I shall label them the "know-nothings", the "know-alls", and the "no-contests".'
:-Richard Dawkins
Athiests are split into two main groups. Those who don't believe there is a God and are content and fundamentalists who are those who don't believe there is a God and constantly speak against those who believe in God for no apparant logical reason at all.
Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence. Faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of, the lack of evidence."
:- Richard Dawkins
Science is the great cop out. As many Christians believe in evolution it can't be used to disprove the existance of God.
Where is the "handiwork" of a loving and caring God in leprosy? In muscular dystrophy? In Alzheimer's disease? In genetic disorders, causing some children die of old age when they are barely 10 years old? In wildwires, killing humans and animals alike in horrible agony? In allowing diseases, murders, genocides, unspeakable atrocities?
:-Many
That's a classic reworking of Anselms Ontological Approach. Why can't you Athiests invent any methods of your own instead of changing ours?
The fact that the majority of people do not suffer from such disorders is testeament to Gods goodness. As for murders, genocides, unspeakable atrocities, they prove that man has fallen and needs a saviour. As we need a saviour and God is good the incarnation had to occur.
Complex, statistically improbable things are by their nature more difficult to explain than simple, statistically probable things.
:-Richard Dawkins
The probability of life evolving from simple one celled creatures to us means that we are improbable and as a result difficult to explain. As we are improbable and we are here however improbable God is is irrelevant. Actualities are what are important here and not probabilities.
God exists, if only in the form of a meme with high survival value, or infective power, in the environment provided by human culture.
:-Richard Dawkins
Has anyone seen one of these memes? Is there also a meme for believing in memes? Why won't any psychologist or neurosurgeon back up your theory of memes?
The meme for blind faith secures its own perpetuation by the simple unconscious expedient of discouraging rational inquiry.
:-Richard Dawkins
I obviously havn't got that meme then. Here's a rational enquiry on your theory. Has anyone seen one of these memes? Is there also a meme for believing in memes? Why won't any psychologist or neurosurgeon back up your theory of memes?
I am against religion because it teaches us to be satisfied with not understanding the world.
:-Richard Dawkins
That has got to be the most nonsensical phrase ever. The Bible actually tells us to seek understanding.
What has 'theology' ever said that is of the smallest use to anybody? When has 'theology' ever said anything that is demonstrably true and is not obvious? What makes you think that 'theology' is a subject at all?
:-Richard Dawkins
From systematic theology came the scientific method of deduction. Therefore wothout theology there would be no science as we know it. As a result theology has given us all the scientific discoveries so far. Fundamentalists in both theology and science may deny the link between the two magisteria but it is still there never the less.
Creationists make it sound like a ‘theory’ is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night
:-Isaac Asimov
I some cases that is true.
I don’t believe in God. My god is patriotism. Teach a man to be a good citizen and you have solved the problem of life.
:- Andrew Carnegie
That's what Hitler thought.
Faith means not wanting to know what is true.
:-Friedrich Nietzsche
Atheism is as blind as any religion. Just because you can't see the moon during the day doesn't mean it's not there.
Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers that may never be questioned.
:-Unknown
Not true. It is reasonable to question ones beliefs.
George Bush says he speaks to God every day, and christians love him for it. If George Bush said he spoke to god through his hair dryer, they would think he was mad. I fail to see how the addition of a hair dryer makes it any more absurd.
:-Unknown
Of course not all Christians have worked out that all politicians say such things to get their votes. God not existing sounds equally absurd to us. If somebody said God doesn't exist because a hair dryer doesn't exist we would call that a ridiculous argument. I fail to see how the non existance of a hair dryer makes it any more absurd.
You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep-seated need to believe.
:-Carl Sagan
What evidence have you got that there is not a God?
2. destroy happiness before introduce salvation
3. is profoundly anti-pleasure especially in the area of sex
4. Sexual pleasure is the most intense form of pleasure
5. To deny oneself pleasure, or to convince oneself that pleasure is evil…
:- George H. Smith
1, Many Athiests avoid reason when debating the subject and use ptolmic dogmatism instead.
2, Many Athiests come across as so angry and express such bitterness towards Christians it appears that to be an Athierst one has to be miserable.
3, Christians know the God who invented sex while many Atheists persue pleasure in speaking against Christianity
4, Sexual pleasure is the closest physical act to something spiritual but knowing Jesus is the real thing.
5, Many Athiests spend vast quantities of energy trying to convince everyone that Christianity is evil. They use ridicule, dogmatism and sarcasm in their ptolmioc rants against us. They come across so miserable that you would think they thought pleasure was evil.
'Religious people split into three main groups when faced with science. I shall label them the "know-nothings", the "know-alls", and the "no-contests".'
:-Richard Dawkins
Athiests are split into two main groups. Those who don't believe there is a God and are content and fundamentalists who are those who don't believe there is a God and constantly speak against those who believe in God for no apparant logical reason at all.
Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence. Faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of, the lack of evidence."
:- Richard Dawkins
Science is the great cop out. As many Christians believe in evolution it can't be used to disprove the existance of God.
Where is the "handiwork" of a loving and caring God in leprosy? In muscular dystrophy? In Alzheimer's disease? In genetic disorders, causing some children die of old age when they are barely 10 years old? In wildwires, killing humans and animals alike in horrible agony? In allowing diseases, murders, genocides, unspeakable atrocities?
:-Many
That's a classic reworking of Anselms Ontological Approach. Why can't you Athiests invent any methods of your own instead of changing ours?
The fact that the majority of people do not suffer from such disorders is testeament to Gods goodness. As for murders, genocides, unspeakable atrocities, they prove that man has fallen and needs a saviour. As we need a saviour and God is good the incarnation had to occur.
Complex, statistically improbable things are by their nature more difficult to explain than simple, statistically probable things.
:-Richard Dawkins
The probability of life evolving from simple one celled creatures to us means that we are improbable and as a result difficult to explain. As we are improbable and we are here however improbable God is is irrelevant. Actualities are what are important here and not probabilities.
God exists, if only in the form of a meme with high survival value, or infective power, in the environment provided by human culture.
:-Richard Dawkins
Has anyone seen one of these memes? Is there also a meme for believing in memes? Why won't any psychologist or neurosurgeon back up your theory of memes?
The meme for blind faith secures its own perpetuation by the simple unconscious expedient of discouraging rational inquiry.
:-Richard Dawkins
I obviously havn't got that meme then. Here's a rational enquiry on your theory. Has anyone seen one of these memes? Is there also a meme for believing in memes? Why won't any psychologist or neurosurgeon back up your theory of memes?
I am against religion because it teaches us to be satisfied with not understanding the world.
:-Richard Dawkins
That has got to be the most nonsensical phrase ever. The Bible actually tells us to seek understanding.
What has 'theology' ever said that is of the smallest use to anybody? When has 'theology' ever said anything that is demonstrably true and is not obvious? What makes you think that 'theology' is a subject at all?
:-Richard Dawkins
From systematic theology came the scientific method of deduction. Therefore wothout theology there would be no science as we know it. As a result theology has given us all the scientific discoveries so far. Fundamentalists in both theology and science may deny the link between the two magisteria but it is still there never the less.
Creationists make it sound like a ‘theory’ is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night
:-Isaac Asimov
I some cases that is true.
I don’t believe in God. My god is patriotism. Teach a man to be a good citizen and you have solved the problem of life.
:- Andrew Carnegie
That's what Hitler thought.
Faith means not wanting to know what is true.
:-Friedrich Nietzsche
Atheism is as blind as any religion. Just because you can't see the moon during the day doesn't mean it's not there.
Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers that may never be questioned.
:-Unknown
Not true. It is reasonable to question ones beliefs.
George Bush says he speaks to God every day, and christians love him for it. If George Bush said he spoke to god through his hair dryer, they would think he was mad. I fail to see how the addition of a hair dryer makes it any more absurd.
:-Unknown
Of course not all Christians have worked out that all politicians say such things to get their votes. God not existing sounds equally absurd to us. If somebody said God doesn't exist because a hair dryer doesn't exist we would call that a ridiculous argument. I fail to see how the non existance of a hair dryer makes it any more absurd.
You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep-seated need to believe.
:-Carl Sagan
What evidence have you got that there is not a God?
Monday, 6 April 2009
Intelligent Design is Bad Theology
Intelligent Design is a gap theory. It is from a long line of ideas that put God in gaps in human knowledge or understanding.
This is theologically ludicrous because by creation Gods attributes can be clearly seen and God has made himself known.
God does not hide in the gaps within human knowledge.
Intelligent design states that because things are to complicated to happen on their own there must have been a 'higher power' that intelligently designed them.
The problem with this is that the 'higher power' does not necessarily have to be The God of The Bible if a god at all.
The 'higher power' can be anything.
Also, as Intelligent Design is a gap theory it does not disprove evolution but rather fills in the gaps and as a result it does not prove that Genesis 1-3 are accurate accounts.
Any gap theory is unscientific because science is about discovering what is not known by deduction
As much that is not explained now will be explained as human knowledge increases the gaps will get smaller until the idea will backfire.
Intelligent Design is both unscientific and theologically not Christian
It's a new version of the pre-adamic race theory which claimed dinosaurs existed before God made Adam and that demons are spirits of the people of the pre-adamic race.
Of course that is nonsense.
Gap Theorists Committed to literal creation because of their acceptance of a “literal” view of Genesis cannot accept the conclusions of evolution based on the geologic column. Nor can they accept that the days in the Genesis record correspond to geologic periods. So they propose that God reshaped the earth and re-created all life in six literal days after “Lucifer's flood” (which produced fossils); hence the name “ruin-reconstruction.” Satan's sin supposedly caused this flood and the resulting judgment upon that sin reduced the previous world to a state of being “without form and void.”
While the gap theorist may think Lucifer's flood solves the problem, this actually removes the reason for the theory in the first place. If all, or most, of the sediments and fossils were produced quickly in one massive worldwide Lucifer's flood, then the main “evidence” that the earth is extremely old (based on the assumed slow formation of the sediments) no longer exists.
Yet again this goes against orthodox theology. In The beginning God created The Heavens and The Earth. Young Earth Creationists, Old Earth Creationists and Theist Evolutionists within The Church all agree that in the beginning God created The Heavens and The Earth and did not reconstruct them.
God is not the source of Creations initial reconstruction but the source of its entire existence from nothing.
God created The Universe we live in today from nothing. It is against 2000 years of Church teaching and The Bible to say that God reconstructed The Universe from something that already existed.
It infers that God did not at first make The Earth for us but for the devil. That is theological insanity.
The fact that The Gap Theory is scientifically ludicrous is not the worst thing about it but that it is theologically not Christian.
From The Gap Theory came Intelligent Design Theory
What Christians don’t get is that The Gap Theory never worked in the first place and will continue not to work. They are playing themselves into the Atheists hands.
Atheists would say that science proved there is not a God, meaning that the gap that God once occupied has been filled by human knowledge.
Those who adhere to Intelligent Design are fighting against this assertion by trying to use science to show that the gap is not filled, which means there is still room for God's existence. As scientific knowledge increases the gap gets smaller.
As by creation Gods attributes can be clearly seen and God has made himself known it is ludicrous for us to be looking for him in gaps within human knowledge.
What is known by us is evidence for Gods existence and not what we don’t know.
Intelligent Design advocates also like using probabilities. As probabilities are not constant they are no argument for or against Gods existence. The question isn’t if God is probable but if God is actual.
Another problem is that Intelligent Design does not prove the historical fact of Christ’s death and resurrection which is what the Christian faith stands on.
This is theologically ludicrous because by creation Gods attributes can be clearly seen and God has made himself known.
God does not hide in the gaps within human knowledge.
Intelligent design states that because things are to complicated to happen on their own there must have been a 'higher power' that intelligently designed them.
The problem with this is that the 'higher power' does not necessarily have to be The God of The Bible if a god at all.
The 'higher power' can be anything.
Also, as Intelligent Design is a gap theory it does not disprove evolution but rather fills in the gaps and as a result it does not prove that Genesis 1-3 are accurate accounts.
Any gap theory is unscientific because science is about discovering what is not known by deduction
As much that is not explained now will be explained as human knowledge increases the gaps will get smaller until the idea will backfire.
Intelligent Design is both unscientific and theologically not Christian
It's a new version of the pre-adamic race theory which claimed dinosaurs existed before God made Adam and that demons are spirits of the people of the pre-adamic race.
Of course that is nonsense.
Gap Theorists Committed to literal creation because of their acceptance of a “literal” view of Genesis cannot accept the conclusions of evolution based on the geologic column. Nor can they accept that the days in the Genesis record correspond to geologic periods. So they propose that God reshaped the earth and re-created all life in six literal days after “Lucifer's flood” (which produced fossils); hence the name “ruin-reconstruction.” Satan's sin supposedly caused this flood and the resulting judgment upon that sin reduced the previous world to a state of being “without form and void.”
While the gap theorist may think Lucifer's flood solves the problem, this actually removes the reason for the theory in the first place. If all, or most, of the sediments and fossils were produced quickly in one massive worldwide Lucifer's flood, then the main “evidence” that the earth is extremely old (based on the assumed slow formation of the sediments) no longer exists.
Yet again this goes against orthodox theology. In The beginning God created The Heavens and The Earth. Young Earth Creationists, Old Earth Creationists and Theist Evolutionists within The Church all agree that in the beginning God created The Heavens and The Earth and did not reconstruct them.
God is not the source of Creations initial reconstruction but the source of its entire existence from nothing.
God created The Universe we live in today from nothing. It is against 2000 years of Church teaching and The Bible to say that God reconstructed The Universe from something that already existed.
It infers that God did not at first make The Earth for us but for the devil. That is theological insanity.
The fact that The Gap Theory is scientifically ludicrous is not the worst thing about it but that it is theologically not Christian.
From The Gap Theory came Intelligent Design Theory
What Christians don’t get is that The Gap Theory never worked in the first place and will continue not to work. They are playing themselves into the Atheists hands.
Atheists would say that science proved there is not a God, meaning that the gap that God once occupied has been filled by human knowledge.
Those who adhere to Intelligent Design are fighting against this assertion by trying to use science to show that the gap is not filled, which means there is still room for God's existence. As scientific knowledge increases the gap gets smaller.
As by creation Gods attributes can be clearly seen and God has made himself known it is ludicrous for us to be looking for him in gaps within human knowledge.
What is known by us is evidence for Gods existence and not what we don’t know.
Intelligent Design advocates also like using probabilities. As probabilities are not constant they are no argument for or against Gods existence. The question isn’t if God is probable but if God is actual.
Another problem is that Intelligent Design does not prove the historical fact of Christ’s death and resurrection which is what the Christian faith stands on.
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